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STANDING COMMITTEE
ON THE INTERIOR

COMITÉ PERMANENT
DES AFFAIRES INTÉRIEURES

Tuesday 3 June 2025 Mardi 3 juin 2025

Protect Ontario by Unleashing our Economy Act, 2025 Loi de 2025 pour protéger l’Ontario en libérant son économie

The committee met at 1301 in room 151.

Protect Ontario by Unleashing our Economy Act, 2025 Loi de 2025 pour protéger l’Ontario en libérant son économie

Consideration of the following bill:

Bill 5, An Act to enact the Special Economic Zones Act, 2025, to amend the Endangered Species Act, 2007 and to replace it with the Species Conservation Act, 2025, and to amend various Acts and revoke various regulations in relation to development and to procurement / Projet de loi 5, Loi édictant la Loi de 2025 sur les zones économiques spéciales, modifiant la Loi de 2007 sur les espèces en voie de disparition et la remplaçant par la Loi de 2025 sur la conservation des espèces, puis modifiant diverses lois et abrogeant divers règlements en ce qui concerne le développement et l’approvisionnement.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Good afternoon, everyone. I call this meeting of the Standing Committee on the Interior to order. We are meeting today to resume clause-by-clause consideration of Bill 5, An Act to enact the Special Economic Zones Act, 2025, to amend the Endangered Species Act, 2007 and to replace it with the Species Conservation Act, 2025, and to amend various Acts and revoke various regulations in relation to development and to procurement.

Tamara Kuzyk our legislative counsel is here to assist us with our work, should we have any questions. We also have ministry staff joining us on Zoom.

A copy of the amendments filed with the Clerk has been distributed electronically, and each amendment will be shown on the screen.

Pursuant to the order of the House dated Tuesday, June 3, 2025, at 1 p.m. today—which is now—all amendments to the bill which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and I shall now, without any further debate or amendment, put every question necessary to dispose of all the remaining sections of the bill and any amendments thereto, and I will take the vote on them consecutively.

Only one 20-minute waiting period will be permitted now, if requested.

MPP Mamakwa, you have a point of order?

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: Meegwetch, Chair. Is there only going to be one 20-minute break?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes. It is one 20-minute break.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: Can I get a 20-minute break right now?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Okay. We have one 20-minute break.

The committee recessed from 1304 to 1324.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Welcome back.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Shall section 47 carry?

Mr. Ted Hsu: May I please have a recorded vote?

Ayes

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

Nays

Hsu.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Section 47 is carried.

Shall section 48 of schedule 2 carry?

Mr. Ted Hsu: May I please have a recorded vote?

Ayes

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

Nays

Hsu.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Section 48 of schedule 2 is carried.

We have to work on something with the Clerk and the staff, so we are going to take a five-minute recess until it is sorted out.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

Amendment 14.0.0.6 of the Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: May I have a point of order, please?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Point of order: MPP Mamakwa.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: Can I make a comment on this motion?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): There is no debate on time allocation.

Once again, we go back to amendment 14.0.0.6 of the Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Mr. Ted Hsu: Could I please have a recorded vote?

Ayes

Hsu.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): The amendment is lost.

Amendment 14.0.0.7 of the Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Mr. Ted Hsu: Yes, Chair, I would like to have a recorded vote.

Ayes

Hsu.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): The amendment is lost.

Amendment 14.0.0.8 of the Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

MPP Alexa Gilmour: Point of order.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes, point of order?

MPP Alexa Gilmour: May I speak to this motion?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): There is no debate on time allocation.

I want to read what the House requested from us, for clarity:

Pursuant to the order of the House dated Tuesday, June 3, 2025, at 1 p.m. today—which is now—all amendments to the bill which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and I shall now, without any further debate or amendment, put every question necessary to dispose of all remaining sections of the bill and any amendments thereto.

This is the exact direction we got from the House, and we’re following that.

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We move to amendment 14.0.0.8, the Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Mr. Ted Hsu: Could I please have a recorded vote?

Ayes

Hsu.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment lost.

Amendment 14.0.0.9, Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Mr. Ted Hsu: Can I please have a recorded vote?

Ayes

Hsu.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment lost.

We continue with amendment 14.0.0.10 of the Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill. All in favour, please raise your hand.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: Point of order.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Point of order: MPP Mamakwa.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: I want to speak to this motion.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): As I stated earlier and read twice, there is no debate on the amendment, as it was relayed to us from the House. So we will continue with the voting process.

Amendment 14.0.0.10, Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Mr. Ted Hsu: May I please have a recorded vote?

Ayes

Hsu.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): The amendment is lost.

Amendment 14.0.0.11 of the Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill. All in favour, please raise your—

MPP Alexa Gilmour: Point of order.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes, go ahead.

MPP Alexa Gilmour: Can I speak to this?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Dear colleagues, I have verbally stated it a few times and I read it twice, and I am going to read it for the last time. We have clear instructions from the House on how to proceed with the clause-by-clause debate, and it states:

Pursuant to the order of the House dated Tuesday June 3, 2025, at 1 p.m. today—which is now—those amendments to the bill which have not yet been moved shall be deemed to have been moved, and I shall now, without any further debate or amendment, put every question.

So that’s it. Please kindly take it under consideration. There is no debate on the amendments.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment lost.

Mr. Ted Hsu: May I ask a question?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes.

Mr. Ted Hsu: I’m just wondering: If another MPP is not officially on this committee, can that MPP call for a recorded vote?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): No.

Mr. Ted Hsu: Okay. Thank you for that clarification.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment 14.0.0.16 of the Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Mr. Ted Hsu: May I please have a recorded vote?

Ayes

Hsu.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment lost.

I have a question to my colleague MPP Hsu: Since you are asking for a recorded vote for every amendment, can we automatically assume that you’re requesting a recorded vote for every amendment that at least your party has so we can move further?

Mr. Ted Hsu: No, sorry, Chair. There might be an amendment where I might—

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): So you want to do it amendment by amendment?

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment lost.

MPP Chris Scott: Chair, a quick point of order. Can we just have all of the votes as recorded votes? You mentioned that earlier, but you asked different members of the committee.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): I mentioned that earlier. The colleague from the Liberal Party preferred to do it individually.

MPP Chris Scott: Yes. Now I’m asking you if we can just make them all recorded votes.

Mr. Stephen Blais: Mr. Chair, I would still prefer to—

Blais.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment lost.

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto: Point of order, Chair.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes.

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto: Due to the fact that my Liberal colleague has cut down all those trees to print all those papers, I was wondering if we could get him a recycling box—

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): This is not a point of order.

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto: Sorry. I apologize.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment 14.0.0.97, Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Ayes

Blais.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Leardi, Chris Scott.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment lost.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: Point of order.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): MPP Mamakwa.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: Meegwetch, Chair. I know we’ve done 97 votes to date on the motions. Out of concern for MPP Cuzzetto—he’s been voting from the same shoulder. I would suggest that you change sides.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): It’s not a point of order.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Amendment lost.

Amendment 14.0.0.101—

Mr. Stephen Blais: Point of order: We should let our honourable colleague have his name plate and sub in properly before—

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): That’s not a point of order.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Gualtieri, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): The motion is lost.

We will take a five-minute recess.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: Point of order?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): MPP Mamakwa.

Mr. Sol Mamakwa: Chair, could we have a five-minute break?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): There is a request for a five-minute break, so we will take a five-minute break.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

We’ll now take a five-minute break.

The committee recessed from 1623 to 1628.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): We’re back. Amendment—

Mr. Ted Hsu: Excuse me, Chair. I have a point of order.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes?

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

Motion 14.0.0.314—

Ms. Mary-Margaret McMahon: Point of order. Can I do it? I’m just subbing in.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): It’s not a point of order—

Ms. Mary-Margaret McMahon: I’m just subbing in so I’m just getting here. I can see you’re not doing individual recorded votes—

MPP Chris Scott: These are recorded, for sure.

Ms. Mary-Margaret McMahon: Yes, but you’re not asking each time. It’s a blanket one.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto: Point of order, Chair: I’d like to help out the Liberals because they have all these amendments today. If we could bundle schedule 2, section 49 would that help? I just want to help them get through more of them tonight.

Interjections.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Please, let me manage the point of order.

There is a point of order to bundle all these amendments. We are at 346 right now. We have close to 2,000 amendments. It is the same amendment. We need to bundle the sections. Is there consent to bundle the amendments?

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

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Motion 14.0.0.349, Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Ayes

McMahon.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto: Point of order, Chair. I feel terrible, because I would like them to get through all of these amendments. If we could bundle them—could we ask them again if they would bundle them?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): MPP Cuzzetto, we asked for consent—

Interjections.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Okay. Continue with your point of order, please.

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto: Because they do have many amendments, I would like them to get through them before the end of the evening, I’m recommending if we could bundle this section, this way, we could help them out getting their amendments through.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): So you are suggesting to bundle this section only: section 49, schedule 2?

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

MPP Chris Scott: Chair, can I just have a point of order?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes.

MPP Chris Scott: The amendments that we’re voting on are extremely incremental changes. The member from Beaches–East York claims they are different, but in reality, they’re absolutely not. We’re just going up one day at a time on the exact same motion.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

Motion 14.0.0.469—

Ms. Stephanie Bowman: Sorry, Chair?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Point of order?

Ms. Stephanie Bowman: Sorry, Chair. Just a question: just to confirm that I am good to sit and I don’t need to do anything?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes.

Ms. Stephanie Bowman: My vote will be recorded?

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Yes, everything is in order.

Ms. Stephanie Bowman: Okay; thank you.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion 14.0.0.469, Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Ayes

Bowman.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

Motion 14.0.0.470, Liberal Party, section 49 of schedule 2 to the bill.

Ayes

Bowman.

Nays

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Chris Scott, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto: Point of order, Chair.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): What’s the point of order, MPP Cuzzetto?

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto: I see that MPP Bowman is by herself here. If we could bundle some of this and get her through a lot of these amendments a lot quicker, she could have more time to get through the other amendments.

Cuzzetto, Dowie, Gallagher Murphy, Racinsky, Vickers.

The Chair (Mr. Aris Babikian): Motion lost.

We are going to take a recess, at 6 o’clock, as it was scheduled, until 6:30.

The committee recessed from 1800 to 1834.

Report continues in volume B.

STANDING COMMITTEE ON THE INTERIOR

Chair / Président

Mr. Aris Babikian (Scarborough–Agincourt PC)

First Vice-Chair / Premier Vice-Président

Mr. Sol Mamakwa (Kiiwetinoong ND)

Second Vice-Chair / Deuxième Vice-Président

Mr. Jonathan Tsao (Don Valley North / Don Valley-Nord L)

Mr. Aris Babikian (Scarborough–Agincourt PC)

Mr. Guy Bourgouin (Mushkegowuk–James Bay / Mushkegowuk–Baie James ND)

Mr. Rudy Cuzzetto (Mississauga–Lakeshore PC)

Mr. Andrew Dowie (Windsor–Tecumseh PC)

M^me Dawn Gallagher Murphy (Newmarket–Aurora PC)

Mr. Sol Mamakwa (Kiiwetinoong ND)

MPP Chris Scott (Sault Ste. Marie PC)

Mr. Jonathan Tsao (Don Valley North / Don Valley-Nord L)

MPP Paul Vickers (Bruce–Grey–Owen Sound PC)

Substitutions / Membres remplaçants

Mr. Stephen Blais (Orléans L)

Ms. Stephanie Bowman (Don Valley West / Don Valley-Ouest L)

Mr. Rob Cerjanec (Ajax L)

MPP Billy Denault (Renfrew–Nipissing–Pembroke PC)

Ms. Lee Fairclough (Etobicoke–Lakeshore L)

Mr. John Fraser (Ottawa South / Ottawa-Sud L)

MPP Alexa Gilmour (Parkdale–High Park ND)

MPP Silvia Gualtieri (Mississauga East–Cooksville / Mississauga-Est–Cooksville PC)

Mr. Ted Hsu (Kingston and the Islands / Kingston et les Îles L)

Mr. Anthony Leardi (Essex PC)

Ms. Mary-Margaret McMahon (Beaches–East York L)

Mr. Joseph Racinsky (Wellington–Halton Hills PC)

Mr. Stéphane Sarrazin (Glengarry–Prescott–Russell PC)

Mr. Adil Shamji (Don Valley East / Don Valley-Est L)

Mr. Dave Smith (Peterborough–Kawartha PC)

MPP Stephanie Smyth (Toronto–St. Paul’s L)

Mr. John Vanthof (Timiskaming–Cochrane ND)

MPP Jamie West (Sudbury ND)

Clerk / Greffière

Ms. Tanzima Khan

Clerks pro tem / Greffière et Greffier par intérim

Ms. Lesley Flores

Mr. Isaiah Thorning

Staff / Personnel

Ms. Tamara Kuzyk, legislative counsel